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Beans
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posted June 01, 2007 13:31     Click Here to See the Profile for Beans     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I don't understand why some people try to hurt the pirate operators. Case in point, there is a file on alfa lima's site that supposedly exposes who Commander Bunny is. I don't know if its true or not, but what is the point in posting something like this, to hurt one of the operators who gives us new programs monthly? Why do something to hurt the folks who put in the effort to entertain us? Does this make the person who posted it feel important? I am ashamed of Alfa Lima for posting it on their site at all. I thought they were for pirate radio operators. I will never go to their site again and will avoid anything they are involved with from here on. What an asshole!

Why do some of you feel you must do everything you can to drive away the pirate operators? Another case in point, Alan Maxwell. One of the most entertaining pirate operators ever, and yet, driven away by the assholes who felt they had to attack him and say bad stuff about him. Alan stopped because of the same people that are now attacking Commander Bunny.

I just don't get it. Do any of you who do this underhanded crap to Pirate Operators have the guts to explain yourself? Or do you operate better like the ****roaches you are, in the dark?

Someone please explain to me why these low life scuzz bags, feel they must hurt the pirate operators? You people who do this, do nothing to add to the scenery, you only detract and are a blight on the entire hobby. You can't do anything productive so you destroy, that which you can not be. I sure hope Karma is for real, and you get a big taste of what you've dished out to the pirate operators.

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Pat Murphy
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posted June 01, 2007 15:10     Click Here to See the Profile for Pat Murphy     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I've asked the same question for years. Doesn't make any sense to me why people who say "I'm all for Pirate Radio", then do things to hurt the very people who make the shows and run the transmitters. It really is very stupid.

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kracker
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posted June 01, 2007 20:17     Click Here to See the Profile for kracker   Click Here to Email kracker     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
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Uncle John
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posted June 01, 2007 22:58           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Hey Beans, Where exactly is the posting in ?
located. Which forum? I couldn't find anything pertaining to revealing identities of pirates. More to come...

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Beans
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posted June 01, 2007 23:41     Click Here to See the Profile for Beans     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Its an audio file, and I think its one of the lowest blows to pirate radio I've seen. What is wrong with Alfred and posting that crap?

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Mosby
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posted June 01, 2007 23:50     Click Here to See the Profile for Mosby     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I got an email from Commander Bunny today, that said he was 'done', had enough of the people, like Alfred at Alfa Lima, who are trying to destroy the pirate operators, like himself. Said he might come back in 2-3-4-5-6-7 years or more but wanted a new batch of listeners and people that wouldn't try to stab him in the back. Bummer, I like Commander Bunny's shows and he's one fo the more active pirates on the air. Who is this guy "Alfred" and what's he got against Commander Bunny?

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Aristotle
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posted June 02, 2007 12:33     Click Here to See the Profile for Aristotle   Click Here to Email Aristotle     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
That's pretty ****ed up. I heard the audio clip and it seems to have been poorly done. The voice distortion at the end of the file leads me to believe it isn't accurate. I don't know how close to the real voice it is but from what I hear of the file I'd be skeptical of its accuracy.

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Uncle John
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posted June 02, 2007 12:35           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
This is all very strange to me. Just the day before yesterday I got in the mail Alfalima's Tshirt. I mailed Alfred Zoer a twenty dollar bill to pay for it.( No pay pal to hastle with). Now I see this situation. Has anyone contacted Alfalima to get their side of the story? I'm glad I'm not a pirate.

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Mosby
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posted June 02, 2007 01:03     Click Here to See the Profile for Mosby     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Commander Bunny said in his email to me, that he had emailed Alfred numerous times and didn't get an answer. I think Commander Bunny feels like he's been stabbed in the back, and I'd have to agree. Based on what he said in the email, I doubt we'll see anything from him on the FRN again. Let me echo what others have asked, "why?" do this to a pirate operator who has provided a ton of entertainment?

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doctorwho
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posted June 02, 2007 02:45     Click Here to See the Profile for doctorwho   Click Here to Email doctorwho     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
i looked all over the site and can't find anything on alfa lima about it , was it removed ?

i just looked theres an audio post WBNY the not secret - message and right voice , is that it ?

Tony

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Beans
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posted June 02, 2007 10:55     Click Here to See the Profile for Beans     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
yeah, that's it!

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curious george
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posted June 02, 2007 12:48     Click Here to See the Profile for curious george     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I think we have a misunderstanding here. Is this the file you are talking about?
http://www.alfalima.net/audio/secret-message-from-comander-buny.mp3

That's the audio clip that gets played for the one that is listed as "WBNY the not secret Message and right voice".

That was one of the Commander's secret messages that was played backwards during a show about a year ago.

Alfred is one of the good guys, probably has done more for pirate radio in Europe in the past 10 years than anyone.

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The Poet
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posted June 02, 2007 13:00     Click Here to See the Profile for The Poet   Click Here to Email The Poet     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Bummer.

The file is just a voice file without the voice-changing processing. I wouldn't say it "exposes" him, any more than my own voice "exposes" who I am... unless he has real career in radio announcing somewhere. It's certainly no one I recognize.


WAIT A MINUTE!!!!

So Commander Bunny is REALLY Glen Hauser?!?!

Who knew?


Still, would like to know how Alfred has this file. Or not. But certainly, he should take it off of there if he's been asked to do so. At the same time, it doesn't seem like he's been doing much with his site or pirate radio for awhile.

Whatever. Hate to see **** like this happen, that's why I never reveal my real address on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington DC. People just would not understand.

Don't go, Commander.

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curious george
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posted June 02, 2007 15:34     Click Here to See the Profile for curious george     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Most of the recent WBNY shows are available on the 'net in studio quality.

The secret message appeared around the time of the Mike Gaukin/Starsky et al shows.

All Alfred did is edit out that audio segment, and play it backwards to reveal the secret message. I can't remember if the original file was in the CB processed voice or not.

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Ragnar
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posted June 02, 2007 18:19     Click Here to See the Profile for Ragnar   Click Here to Email Ragnar     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
A few random thoughts on the subject.

Yes, many of the commanders shows are available in studio quality on the net, specifically my web site. http://www.shortwavepirate.info/ in the audio download section. Yes, you can isolate the voice tracts, reverse the wave form & try to re pitch the voice. But why? I guess its like trying to get the secrets out of a magician. I think it ruins the magic show when you know how he does it though.

Yes, the Commander stated that Alfred ignored his email's & is miffed that the audio file that is posted there is still available. Understandable, but I never knew Alfred to be deliberately hostile to an op.

No, I didn't see the last offending thread on the FRN that has sparked the commanders email, but I suspect it was one that he started Thursday pointing to a rabbit shaped Internet wireless device that could be used to stream broadband radio http://www.dynamism.com/nabaztagtag/main.shtml. I replied to that thread immediately, thinking it looked like a rabbit drone army was being built. Later that day the thread was gone. I am assuming by the commanders email that someone posted a link to the file on Alfa Lima later in the day.

Call me an optimist but I truly think A'holes in this world are rare. Most of the time it is lack of understanding between parties that causes friction. Yes, we all have our moments of malice, but few are malicious as lifestyle. Yes I have thrown a few barbs around here. (sorry Al) and I think a lot of these that are thrown around are intended as good natured ribbing. The commander has chosen a personality that is confrontational. I don't want to speak for him but I assume he is prepared for an amount of flack coming back at him, thats the point of the revolution in my view, to create insurgence as a form of entertainment.

I did not see who posted the reply that caused the big bunny's ire. As I don't want to speak for the commander I wouldn't want to put words in the poster's mouth ether. Perhaps he didn't understand the nuances of the elaborate "comedy" that the commander has built over the years. Perhaps he became a bit over zealous in his good natured attack. Perhaps he forgot that there is an actual OP behind the mic at the WBNY studios. Then again, there is the rare chance he's just an A'hole. Either way, I agree with WBNY that a line was crossed.

I hope the commander comes back after he cools off. He has done some fantastic work in the last couple of years. I really liked the stuff that came out of the WBNY studios that didn't even showcase the commander. Until he returns his talent will be missed.

Ragnar

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James Brownyard
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posted June 03, 2007 12:43     Click Here to See the Profile for James Brownyard   Click Here to Email James Brownyard     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I admit I took a clip of the commander and corrected the pitch to see if I recognized the voice. I didn't. I did not post it for all to hear either.

I personally don't think it is a big deal. I use my real voice, but some ops need to protect that due to being a ham or have a job in the biz. Hell, I even did a legal-il-legal TOH ID once with the town I lived in! I also gave out coordinates to my xmtr site once too! 10 plus years and never been caught!

I hope the commander doesn't let things like this keep him away. When i got crap from listeners or other pirates, I went on the air more and raised hell! Don't loose that fighting spirit Commander. If you need anything at all, don't hesitae to email me.

~JB

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The Poet
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posted June 04, 2007 04:26     Click Here to See the Profile for The Poet   Click Here to Email The Poet     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Still, someone should let Glenn Hauser know that he has been correctly identified as the founder of the Rodent Revolution..... shouldn't they?

heh. maybe I will.

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gristle
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posted June 04, 2007 05:19           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
"People say this" "Poeople say that"
C.B. Don't listen to any of this. Just do your thing.
I want to hear you. Many others wish to hear you. Your production is great. Don't let this B.S. get to you!
Free Radio!!!

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Mechanic
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posted June 04, 2007 05:41     Click Here to See the Profile for Mechanic   Click Here to Email Mechanic     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by James Brownyard:
I admit I took a clip of the commander and corrected the pitch to see if I recognized the voice. I didn't. I did not post it for all to hear either.

I personally don't think it is a big deal. I use my real voice, but some ops need to protect that due to being a ham or have a job in the biz. Hell, I even did a legal-il-legal TOH ID once with the town I lived in! I also gave out coordinates to my xmtr site once too! 10 plus years and never been caught!

I hope the commander doesn't let things like this keep him away. When i got crap from listeners or other pirates, I went on the air more and raised hell! Don't loose that fighting spirit Commander. If you need anything at all, don't hesitae to email me.

~JB


I agree!!!!

The Commander has been an inspiration to me with what little work I've been involved in. You could just hear the years of skill and honed talent in every WBNY broadcast. I have also been in awe many times by CB's rebellious resolve and the fortitude to hold his own. A real scrapper to look to.
I regret that another staple of the pirate radio community has been needlessly poked at and forced to step aside. Why?
I still to this day am unable to understand the logic behind people that call themselves fans of pirate radio and still find it irresistable to "eat their offspring"! WTF!!!
Pirate radio is supposed to a bastian of the creative, an avenue for the rebellious of radio to hurl their stones and molotov ****tails of homebrew entertainment into the windows of corporate radio. And here we have descension in the ranks. It's bad enough that the ops have to content with their natural predator the FCC! What good will it do to push all the ops off the air? I wish a-holes like those would go and pick on the corporate outlets insteads, I could use one less network fed John Boy and Billy station.

Who cares really what voice and op uses to get on the air? I've always enjoyed the sound of JB's voice, it has the same quality that Dave Rabbit of old had, the kind you could imagine connected to a Cristian Slater type character next to a glowing tube rig holding a stogey and fith of JD in one hand telling the world to f itself!. You can't fake that.
I liked the Commander's (digitized) voice. That's who I know as Commander Bunny. It's character voices like that that give pirate radio character. I could give a rats ass if he never wanted to make his real ID or voice known. ...I can understand that completely myself, maybe there are too many ham aquaintences out there that fail to understand the good points in being an underground broadcaster. And what they don't know won't hurt them. Pirate radio is meant to be fun, its very nature is that of rule breaking political incorrectness and cultural rebelliousness. If an op wants to fart his IS in morse code and play two hours of nothing truly redeeming just to kill time, it's still pirate radio and should be held at some nominal honor for the op risking a nice $10k fine for doing it.
And you wont find a thirty second paid commercial for Anytown Buick attached to both ends of it.
Commander Bunny's shows were worth listening to by the way, at least they were well thought out, well produced and carried a amount of intelligence to them.

I wouldn't worry about ol' Alfie, you know as well as I that if he is truely guilty of such careless impropriety against that which you thought was his own stand... well, karma is a mysterious thing.

Thank you for WBNY, Commander Bunny! You still have many friends here including myself. If there is ever a time when you want to come back someday and key up again, I'll have my receiver ready.

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Pat Murphy
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posted June 04, 2007 14:31     Click Here to See the Profile for Pat Murphy     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I have watched this happen, time after time. One pirate gets too popular and then the sniping begins. If its not other pirate ops, its mentally retarded (no offense meant to the truly retarded) listeners. There is no question that we have a tendency to 'eat their offspring'as Mechanic says. I don't know if its jealousy or some inbred, uncontolled inability to see someone else do good, but its has driven away a lot of excellent pirate operators.

The example that keeps popping up, is Alan Maxwell. I know some of the inside on that defection, and it broke my heart to see him abandon his efforts. Alan was not only in a class of his own, he was one of the best pirates I have ever heard. He was the target of some really nasty harrassment. Kind of like what Gaukin did to Commander Bunny. There have been many more, who just said, "screw it" and stopped. It is one of the things I have tried to fight as Administrator of the FRN. Stop the sniping, backstabbing and flaming of the pirate operators. Its only driving them away. I have spoken to Commander Bunny about this, and he's not mad. He's just tired of the constant BS! He told me that pirate radio should be fun. Fun to do, fun to listen. When you've got people who's only purpose appears to be killing the fun, he says, its time to take a break. I do know he backed off in the 90's because of the back stabbing and he's just backing off again.

One of the beautiful things about pirate radio is the mystery. Anyone who wants to cut it open and ruin the mystery doesn't care about pirate radio or the people who do it. Not sure any of these rants is going to fix it, or solve the problem, but if you see or hear someone trying to tell you what they claim is "inside scoop" on a pirate, the best thing you can do is avoid them. If people start avoiding these people, and deprive them of their thirst for attention, they'll eventually stop. The best thing you can, for pirate radio, is ignore these people and and lable them as destroyers of the art form.

They are killing pirate radio. They have done more to kill pirate radio, than the entire federal government agencies combined. These individuals who want to appear to, know more than anyone else, are destroying something that should be fun for everyone. The listeners and pirate ops both.

Just my suggestion and view, having watched this happen, again and again. If it doesn't stop, they're going to kill it for everyone. I know some of you remember the way it was in the 80's. You could listen for a month and not hear one single pirate. I'd hate to see it go back to that, because we had driven away all the good operators.

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Sealord
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posted June 04, 2007 16:46           Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
No offense taken Pat

To all Op's retired & active, please keep the faith and ignore those who have lost their's. For every person who may try to harsh your gig, there's twice fold as many of us who love what you do (just ask the loggings section ). The fact that someone is spending the energy to make things difficult for an Op should tell them that they are kicking some serious entertainment booty to attract the attention in the first place. If I seem naive about this, please forgive me - it's just my thoughts.

Maybe more importantly, I should ask: what can I do as a listener to help improve the situation? (Well as my usual ADD style, the answer to my question was already addressed in Pat's post ) Sorry about that!

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